Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
#11
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
The Fuel Economy web site is great for comparing information! Thank you very much.
All the other responses I'm getting are helping to educate me. I'm getting a crash course on hybrids and other environmentally friendly (or friendlier) vehicles. Maybe I'm just a easily impressionable but I saw "An Inconveninent Truth" and finally saw the light. Or what I think is the light.
Thanks to everyone that helps shed light on how these cars work for them.
All the other responses I'm getting are helping to educate me. I'm getting a crash course on hybrids and other environmentally friendly (or friendlier) vehicles. Maybe I'm just a easily impressionable but I saw "An Inconveninent Truth" and finally saw the light. Or what I think is the light.
Thanks to everyone that helps shed light on how these cars work for them.
Last edited by gerardnc; 05-30-2006 at 11:44 AM.
#12
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
You may also want to question yourself on why you want lots of power. Do you actually need it, or do you just feel comfortable having it because you've been indoctrinated to think so? While it's easy to blame the Auto Industry or the Oil Industry, power does come at a price of fuel economy, it's pretty much a basic rule of nature.
I've owned the FEH for nearly a year, and it's amazing how much my views have changed in some areas. (BTW, 250 HP and I'm getting 36 MPGs pretty consistantly in the warmer months, 30's in the freezing/below freezing months.)
I've owned the FEH for nearly a year, and it's amazing how much my views have changed in some areas. (BTW, 250 HP and I'm getting 36 MPGs pretty consistantly in the warmer months, 30's in the freezing/below freezing months.)
#14
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
Thank you Rich for your thoughts.
You are right that I have been indoctrinated to think I need more power than I probably need but the problem I have is one of relativity. When I'm on the road (I live in Los Angeles) I like being able to make fast maneuvers to avoid aggressive drivers. I know that I should take the high road (forgive the pun) and never engage with other drivers but I do like knowing that I can pass someone quickly or go up a hill without feeling the engine struggle (when I had my first car I always lamented at how feeble my car was at climbing hills). Just to know that the power is there is enough-- the rest of the time, I'd be happy to have a very energy efficient, low emissions car.
Change begins with me, however, and my reluctance to engage in radical change is testament to the difficulties of making positive environmental changes across society. In the mean time, I'm hoping that a Lexus with decent mileage and low emissions is a start.... I hope.
You are right that I have been indoctrinated to think I need more power than I probably need but the problem I have is one of relativity. When I'm on the road (I live in Los Angeles) I like being able to make fast maneuvers to avoid aggressive drivers. I know that I should take the high road (forgive the pun) and never engage with other drivers but I do like knowing that I can pass someone quickly or go up a hill without feeling the engine struggle (when I had my first car I always lamented at how feeble my car was at climbing hills). Just to know that the power is there is enough-- the rest of the time, I'd be happy to have a very energy efficient, low emissions car.
Change begins with me, however, and my reluctance to engage in radical change is testament to the difficulties of making positive environmental changes across society. In the mean time, I'm hoping that a Lexus with decent mileage and low emissions is a start.... I hope.
Last edited by gerardnc; 05-31-2006 at 10:57 AM.
#15
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
Originally Posted by tomdavie
rich
Wow. You have done it again!!!! Never heard of anyone producing 250HP out of a FEH. How did you do it?
Wow. You have done it again!!!! Never heard of anyone producing 250HP out of a FEH. How did you do it?
http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/esc...C18603%7C16902
#16
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
Keep in mind that there are two elements of emissions.
Basically all the smog related ones, for which the Toyota hybrids do incredibly well. You cannot really improve on these cars.
The other is carbon dioxide. You only reduce carbon dioxide by improving gas milage, or driving less. A car that gets twice the MPG of another car will emit one half the carbon dioxide of that other car.
So compare the cars in the class you intend to buy, my guess is the hybrids will win out on MPG.
George
Basically all the smog related ones, for which the Toyota hybrids do incredibly well. You cannot really improve on these cars.
The other is carbon dioxide. You only reduce carbon dioxide by improving gas milage, or driving less. A car that gets twice the MPG of another car will emit one half the carbon dioxide of that other car.
So compare the cars in the class you intend to buy, my guess is the hybrids will win out on MPG.
George
#18
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
i agree with john
if we had the money to spare , we would have looked closer at the lexus, as its the same design. Lexus' are fantastic luxury cars. If we wanted just the gas mileage, we would have bought a prius or civic.
enjoy.
if we had the money to spare , we would have looked closer at the lexus, as its the same design. Lexus' are fantastic luxury cars. If we wanted just the gas mileage, we would have bought a prius or civic.
enjoy.
#19
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
Originally Posted by Seadog
Its another one of those NASCAR FEH's with the Pinocchio syndrome...
http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/esc...C18603%7C16902
http://www.fordvehicles.com/suvs/esc...C18603%7C16902
Rod - if we had only bought a FEH, we would have got 250HP and 52MPG on average. One time he got 75MPG. ........
I feel like an idiot......
Oh well. Lets just enjoy our loser lives with our highlanders.
#20
Re: Guilt vs. Lexus RX400h
Originally Posted by tomdavie
i agree with john
if we had the money to spare , we would have looked closer at the lexus, as its the same design. Lexus' are fantastic luxury cars. If we wanted just the gas mileage, we would have bought a prius or civic.
enjoy.
if we had the money to spare , we would have looked closer at the lexus, as its the same design. Lexus' are fantastic luxury cars. If we wanted just the gas mileage, we would have bought a prius or civic.
enjoy.