Industry Insider Jumpin' In
#11
Re: Industry Insider Jumpin' In
Hi Martin:
___Johnson/Evinrude used to work 4 + years out. They are now a dead company. I understand the VUE w/ BAS is locked down or darn close to it. It is also time to play a little catch up and pass today, not next year, and not 4 years from now. Once Toyota learns how to lock up MG1 at speeds > 41 mph, they are going to achieve yet another jump in highway FE throughout their HSD lineup. The pack, inverter, controller’s, MGSet’s, and CVT aren’t getting more expensive, they are becoming less expensive by the day!
___You have heard of the Toyota VITZ, right? Maybe you need to get your buds to work on that Ecotech 4 in the Cobalt for a bit more FE straight up and then BAS that! 25/34 in a 2.2 L w/ a stick isn’t worth the effort of advertising its FE! Those numbers just match my far more refined and powerful 2.4 in the Accord w/ Auto and she’s a full blown Tier II/Bin2 rated PZEV! Even 40 mpg isn’t going to cut it anymore. Honda and Toyota both offer that in their non-hybrid Corolla and Civic today. It is time to nail down 45 - 50. Without it, GM is heading down a seriously compromised path
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
___Johnson/Evinrude used to work 4 + years out. They are now a dead company. I understand the VUE w/ BAS is locked down or darn close to it. It is also time to play a little catch up and pass today, not next year, and not 4 years from now. Once Toyota learns how to lock up MG1 at speeds > 41 mph, they are going to achieve yet another jump in highway FE throughout their HSD lineup. The pack, inverter, controller’s, MGSet’s, and CVT aren’t getting more expensive, they are becoming less expensive by the day!
___You have heard of the Toyota VITZ, right? Maybe you need to get your buds to work on that Ecotech 4 in the Cobalt for a bit more FE straight up and then BAS that! 25/34 in a 2.2 L w/ a stick isn’t worth the effort of advertising its FE! Those numbers just match my far more refined and powerful 2.4 in the Accord w/ Auto and she’s a full blown Tier II/Bin2 rated PZEV! Even 40 mpg isn’t going to cut it anymore. Honda and Toyota both offer that in their non-hybrid Corolla and Civic today. It is time to nail down 45 - 50. Without it, GM is heading down a seriously compromised path
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
#12
Re: Industry Insider Jumpin' In
Originally Posted by lakedude
Hi and welcome.
As a fellow hater of misinformation lets get to work cleaning up the mess and leaving only the facts.
Someone mentioned that the HAH which gets horrible mileage by hybrid standards still gets better mileage than most if not all GM products. Is this correct?
As a fellow hater of misinformation lets get to work cleaning up the mess and leaving only the facts.
Someone mentioned that the HAH which gets horrible mileage by hybrid standards still gets better mileage than most if not all GM products. Is this correct?
I can take a hint
BAS = Belt Alternator Starter. The traditional alternator in the engine accesory drive is replaced by a combination alternator / starter / electric motor. It's primary functions are to
- Restart the engine after it has been stopped at idle, like at a light.<<<
- Provide power assist to the ICE under certain situations.<<<
- Replenish battery storage.<<<
The Honda system is, I believe, a FAS system. FAS = Flywheel Alternator Starter. This puts the mechanism that restarts the engine between the engine and the transmission, as opposed to on the accesory drive like a BAS.
As for your second question, depends on perspective and value placement. I pulled acomparison from fueleconomy.gov. I included
- Chevy Malibu - 3.5L V6 4 spd auto
- Honda Accord Hybrid
- Chevy Cobalt 2.2L L4, 5 spd manual
- Honda Civic 1.7L L4 5 spd manual
Peace,
Martin
#13
Re: Industry Insider Jumpin' In
I have to agree with Wayne on this one. The GM fleet numbers have to jump up drasticly. Stating they have a lot of cars in the 30+ mpg range isn't realy that impressive. 30+ mpg is pretty average and I think the comercial stated the 30+mpg claim was based on highway numbers.
I owned two Geo metro's before my civic hybrid. It was a nice cheap car with great FE and set the bar for the FE I expected in my next car. I wish GM would have offerings in all niches not just in the most trendy one.
Is the Metro still made? I haven't heard much about it in a while. BTW, the civic cost as much as both of the metros combined. So GM can do a good job when its focused. Too bad they decided to totaly disolve the geo division.
I owned two Geo metro's before my civic hybrid. It was a nice cheap car with great FE and set the bar for the FE I expected in my next car. I wish GM would have offerings in all niches not just in the most trendy one.
Is the Metro still made? I haven't heard much about it in a while. BTW, the civic cost as much as both of the metros combined. So GM can do a good job when its focused. Too bad they decided to totaly disolve the geo division.
#17
Re: Industry Insider Jumpin' In
Martinjlm said:
I would give you another "sample size of one" example, but it seems that GH's Compare section is broken at the moment.
What I intend to show should be obvious though... a sample size of "one" is utterly worthless. There are HCH drivers with lifetime averages of over 60mpg, and there are HCH drivers with lifetime averages of under 35mpg. That's "one" car, driven by two different people, at the extremes.
Comparing one model of car to another, with a sample of one from each model is... pointless.
These were sample sizes of one in each case, but surprising nonetheless. New meaning to the phrase "your mileage may vary".
What I intend to show should be obvious though... a sample size of "one" is utterly worthless. There are HCH drivers with lifetime averages of over 60mpg, and there are HCH drivers with lifetime averages of under 35mpg. That's "one" car, driven by two different people, at the extremes.
Comparing one model of car to another, with a sample of one from each model is... pointless.
#19
Re: Industry Insider Jumpin' In
Originally Posted by xcel
Hi Martin:
___Johnson/Evinrude used to work 4 + years out. They are now a dead company....
___Johnson/Evinrude used to work 4 + years out. They are now a dead company....
Originally Posted by xcel
Hi Martin...Tier II/Bin2 rated PZEV! ...
Peace,
Martin
#20
Re: Industry Insider Jumpin' In
Hi Martin:
___Sick of me yet
___Real world results:
1 week with a friends 05 AH vs. 1 week with an 04 Buick LeSabre.
2005 Accord Hybrid:
3 Friends, the AH, and an Attempt …
~ 53 mpg over ~ 1,100 miles in a week of back and forth work commutes including a day of practice … I will have to find the exact numbers but G&B didn’t want me posting that tank as his so I never paid much attention … until now of course. I will look up the details in an old E-Mail later on if you would like?
2004 Buick LeSabre:
Can't wait. Other options?
33.25 mpg over 2,269 miles although I used A/C most of the time An easy 42 - 44 mpg when well setup and driven in my daily nightmare …
___Have you ever seen an 04/05 Malibu nail the following?
AH - June 05
___In regards to the Accord’s emissions, yes.
2005 non-hybrid Accord:
CARB: SULEV - II.
EPA: Tier II - Bin 2 <-- Look at my Avatar very closely as it is the EPA sticker from the Accord’s rear window
2005 Chevy Cobalt:
CARB: LEV - II
EPA: Tier II - Bin 5
___I did not know Chevy offered the Cobalt in SULEV-II/PZEV format anywhere including CA.?
___I use the following for all EPA FE and emissions related information: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net
___Sick of me yet
___Real world results:
1 week with a friends 05 AH vs. 1 week with an 04 Buick LeSabre.
2005 Accord Hybrid:
3 Friends, the AH, and an Attempt …
~ 53 mpg over ~ 1,100 miles in a week of back and forth work commutes including a day of practice … I will have to find the exact numbers but G&B didn’t want me posting that tank as his so I never paid much attention … until now of course. I will look up the details in an old E-Mail later on if you would like?
2004 Buick LeSabre:
Can't wait. Other options?
33.25 mpg over 2,269 miles although I used A/C most of the time An easy 42 - 44 mpg when well setup and driven in my daily nightmare …
___Have you ever seen an 04/05 Malibu nail the following?
AH - June 05
___In regards to the Accord’s emissions, yes.
2005 non-hybrid Accord:
CARB: SULEV - II.
EPA: Tier II - Bin 2 <-- Look at my Avatar very closely as it is the EPA sticker from the Accord’s rear window
2005 Chevy Cobalt:
CARB: LEV - II
EPA: Tier II - Bin 5
___I did not know Chevy offered the Cobalt in SULEV-II/PZEV format anywhere including CA.?
___I use the following for all EPA FE and emissions related information: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net