08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
#21
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
Thanks for the clarification - you made some good points. Seems like the plot has thickened on this story. For potential owners who are not DIY, it's perhaps not advisable to purchase one of these vehicles unless you have a competent mechanic with Ford Hybrid experience within a reasonable distance and that has a main battery charger on site. "Suddenly" and "dangerously under powered" is not a situation that benefits anyone including Ford. I concur that dealers and/or their mechanics can be awful. I cringe going into a dealer since I do most work myself and have a neighbourhood mechanic do the stuff I can't or won't. Judging by where Ford's stock price is going, there are storm clouds on the horizon. That said, during the course of doing some routine maintenance on our FEH, I have found the vehicle generally well designed for a mainstream SUV and easy to service .
#22
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Good key points too. I was also disappointed that our 2010 does not have the jump start button. That might have been the bean counters or worse. Our local dealer who swapped out a defective PCM treated us fairly but had at least one experienced hybrid tech that had serviced a fleet of FEH's owned by the City of Hamilton. The diagnostic charge was about an hour and the install about an hour which I thought was very fair but the "rebuilt" PCM (with two year warranty) was overpriced. Not having been to a (st) (d)ealer in several years, I was quaking in my boots as I was in the middle of a high stakes poker game that may have resulted in the vehicle being sold as is or scrapped.
#23
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
No. It's a forced over-charge of the battery. NiMH cells self-balance when charged at higher states of charge. As you approach 100% charged, charging becomes less and less efficient, thus cells at 90% store less energy from a 10A charge than cells at 70%.
I don't have the registered version of Forscan (too lazy), but I'll probably try it one day. Provided your A/C is working properly, I wouldn't hesitate to give it a try. If it's an option on 2010+, I don't think I'd try it unless the interior temps were below 50°F.
I don't have the registered version of Forscan (too lazy), but I'll probably try it one day. Provided your A/C is working properly, I wouldn't hesitate to give it a try. If it's an option on 2010+, I don't think I'd try it unless the interior temps were below 50°F.
My now 13+ year old battery has deteriorated to a condition where it self-discharges to 30% overnight and stays there. I only drive it once a week and always find it in that condition. It does recharge to 52% during operation but regen braking is mostly gone now.
#24
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I drove the car today to work. I haven't been in to my office for 5 months - working from home due to Covid. It definitely behaves differently than my first gen '05 does. I knew some of these behaviors just through reading of the things that were revised through 2012 after the 2nd generation came out. My '05 will not go into EV above 35mph for example whereas the 2011 will drop into EV with a slight lift of the pedal, up to 45mph and cruise along that way for probably a mile or better. I also noticed that toward the end of my 17 mile commute, it will stay in EV even with light acceleration, depending on the state of charge of the battery it seems. It's just different... Admittedly, I might be just experiencing normal behavior. At this point I'm not really sure. This is the only 2nd gen FEH I've driven for any distance.
Corey
#25
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
Your primary issues are 1) a 15 year old battery is likely deteriorated. 2) Infrequent driving only makes it worse. You need to create places to go regularly and not just short trips to the store. 10+ miles or 30+ minutes of driving. 250 cells will drift. Regular driving is REQUIRED to keep the battery balanced.
The 2011 I just bought just behaves differently than the '05 ever did but it seems to be getting better by the mile. I think you're onto it with the notion that it needs to be driven regularly. Hybrids don't like to sit.
#26
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
Thanks for the clarification - you made some good points. Seems like the plot has thickened on this story. For potential owners who are not DIY, it's perhaps not advisable to purchase one of these vehicles unless you have a competent mechanic with Ford Hybrid experience within a reasonable distance and that has a main battery charger on site. "Suddenly" and "dangerously under powered" is not a situation that benefits anyone including Ford. I concur that dealers and/or their mechanics can be awful. I cringe going into a dealer since I do most work myself and have a neighbourhood mechanic do the stuff I can't or won't. Judging by where Ford's stock price is going, there are storm clouds on the horizon. That said, during the course of doing some routine maintenance on our FEH, I have found the vehicle generally well designed for a mainstream SUV and easy to service .
#27
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
Performance of vehicles as cabs is 90% not applicable to a consumer driven vehicle.
The average person drives their car 2-4 times per day. A round trip to work and another round trip somewhere. The average number of miles driven per year is around 15000.
In most cases, consumer cars get a full thermal cycle every drive, i.e., operating temp followed by a complete cool down.
A cab is driven/running almost constantly while in use. Even if turned off, it's for a very brief time.
A cab may see 10-15K miles per month.
Consumer vehicles experience about 10X the thermal cycles per mile driven than a vehicle operated as a cab. Those are two completely different operating environments.
If all you're looking at are things like wheel bearings and suspension components, then yes cab vehicle experience applies.
For things like a hybrid battery, in most cases, cab operation is more advantageous on a mileage basis - less thermal cycling of the pack (not sitting in the sun all day at work). Of all the Gen 3 Prius I've seen, most fail in the 120-150K mileage range. The one exception was a privately owned Discount Cab. 2015 model with 270K miles on it after 2 years. That battery was also in DRAMATICALLY better condition than ALL other packs including those that failed at under 100K miles.
The average person drives their car 2-4 times per day. A round trip to work and another round trip somewhere. The average number of miles driven per year is around 15000.
In most cases, consumer cars get a full thermal cycle every drive, i.e., operating temp followed by a complete cool down.
A cab is driven/running almost constantly while in use. Even if turned off, it's for a very brief time.
A cab may see 10-15K miles per month.
Consumer vehicles experience about 10X the thermal cycles per mile driven than a vehicle operated as a cab. Those are two completely different operating environments.
If all you're looking at are things like wheel bearings and suspension components, then yes cab vehicle experience applies.
For things like a hybrid battery, in most cases, cab operation is more advantageous on a mileage basis - less thermal cycling of the pack (not sitting in the sun all day at work). Of all the Gen 3 Prius I've seen, most fail in the 120-150K mileage range. The one exception was a privately owned Discount Cab. 2015 model with 270K miles on it after 2 years. That battery was also in DRAMATICALLY better condition than ALL other packs including those that failed at under 100K miles.
#28
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
Performance of vehicles as cabs is 90% not applicable to a consumer driven vehicle.
The average person drives their car 2-4 times per day. A round trip to work and another round trip somewhere. The average number of miles driven per year is around 15000.
In most cases, consumer cars get a full thermal cycle every drive, i.e., operating temp followed by a complete cool down.
A cab is driven/running almost constantly while in use. Even if turned off, it's for a very brief time.
A cab may see 10-15K miles per month.
Consumer vehicles experience about 10X the thermal cycles per mile driven than a vehicle operated as a cab. Those are two completely different operating environments.
If all you're looking at are things like wheel bearings and suspension components, then yes cab vehicle experience applies.
For things like a hybrid battery, in most cases, cab operation is more advantageous on a mileage basis - less thermal cycling of the pack (not sitting in the sun all day at work). Of all the Gen 3 Prius I've seen, most fail in the 120-150K mileage range. The one exception was a privately owned Discount Cab. 2015 model with 270K miles on it after 2 years. That battery was also in DRAMATICALLY better condition than ALL other packs including those that failed at under 100K miles.
The average person drives their car 2-4 times per day. A round trip to work and another round trip somewhere. The average number of miles driven per year is around 15000.
In most cases, consumer cars get a full thermal cycle every drive, i.e., operating temp followed by a complete cool down.
A cab is driven/running almost constantly while in use. Even if turned off, it's for a very brief time.
A cab may see 10-15K miles per month.
Consumer vehicles experience about 10X the thermal cycles per mile driven than a vehicle operated as a cab. Those are two completely different operating environments.
If all you're looking at are things like wheel bearings and suspension components, then yes cab vehicle experience applies.
For things like a hybrid battery, in most cases, cab operation is more advantageous on a mileage basis - less thermal cycling of the pack (not sitting in the sun all day at work). Of all the Gen 3 Prius I've seen, most fail in the 120-150K mileage range. The one exception was a privately owned Discount Cab. 2015 model with 270K miles on it after 2 years. That battery was also in DRAMATICALLY better condition than ALL other packs including those that failed at under 100K miles.
#29
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
You're free to disagree with me. Opinion/desire doesn't change facts/data. MOST cars will perform very well for 200-300K when driven as a cab for a few years. Far fewer will perform as well when that is stretched over 10-20 years.
Since you're keen on unsubstantiated assumptions, I had to turn PMs off from endless requests for individual help for topics that had been covered multiple times. Sorry you took things personally. They weren't intended offend you.
Since you're keen on unsubstantiated assumptions, I had to turn PMs off from endless requests for individual help for topics that had been covered multiple times. Sorry you took things personally. They weren't intended offend you.
#30
Re: 08 Ford Escape not going into EV mode
You're free to disagree with me. Opinion/desire doesn't change facts/data. MOST cars will perform very well for 200-300K when driven as a cab for a few years. Far fewer will perform as well when that is stretched over 10-20 years.
Since you're keen on unsubstantiated assumptions, I had to turn PMs off from endless requests for individual help for topics that had been covered multiple times. Sorry you took things personally. They weren't intended offend you.
Since you're keen on unsubstantiated assumptions, I had to turn PMs off from endless requests for individual help for topics that had been covered multiple times. Sorry you took things personally. They weren't intended offend you.
Here's your data Mr. Know it all:
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...000-plus-miles
This author definitely disagrees with your assessment of Prius battery reliability and even includes the YouTube FEH taxi teardown:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...5-years-later/
And... Even if your Prius Taxi battery DOES puke... It's really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things, although it is indeed relatively rare:https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybra.../#581966d93ee9
https://www.consumerreports.org/hybr...o-hybrid-cars/
https://www.greencarreports.com/news...t-and-warranty
https://www.hybridcars.com/hybrid-car-battery/
https://hybridbatteryrepairservice.com/prius/
I could spend the next hour or two finding wonderful evidence that what I have stated is based in data and evidence... but of course I would still be wrong and you'd be right because that's what really matters here; that you must demonstrate to others how stupid they are and how smart you are. Thanks for the entertainment. Feel free to tell me how all this information isn't really representative of the point, blah, blah blah... YOU'RE RIGHT! Absolutely... So silly of me to even try to write something on the same page as someone as superior as you.